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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-32639</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t IT the same way with life?*

jeez i need to proofread better. also, only posting two months since the last comment, nbd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t IT the same way with life?*</p>
<p>jeez i need to proofread better. also, only posting two months since the last comment, nbd.</p>
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		<title>By: julie</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-32638</link>
		<dc:creator>julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi everyone... found this post randomly online also and was pretty shocked by this review (though everyone is entitled to their own opinion). A lot of people have already commented, and i don&#039;t doubt that i&#039;m probably going to repeat some stuff that others have already said.

i read the manga, and personally, i loved it. it&#039;s very quirky with its own style and kind of humor, and i can see how the beginning seems sporadic, pointless, and random (though i actually liked it, heh). i was rereading earlier chapters, and hagumi is INCREDIBLY immature. if anything, it was very weird to read those chapters while having knowledge of the ending.

what i want to address, primarily, is the reception of Hagumi, particularly her appearance. she looks 8. when she was first introduced, i thought she was at least 8. people are then disgusted by her extreme loli looks, and how guys who look much older than her are completely enchanted by her.
but this is a deliberate choice by the author, and if anything, her looks actually change throughout the series. in fact, it&#039;s prety interesting to compare the way she looks at the end with her appearance at the beginning- admittedly, she still looks very young, but there is a maturity and seriousness to her that is absent when she is first introduced. Hagu develops and matures from the weird fairy of the beginning to a very real girl with a clear purpose at the end. it&#039;s that very real gradual change and development that makes this series one of my favorites.
beyond hagu, plenty of the other characters mature as well, and there is plenty of painful self-evaluation and reality checks that take a while to kick in... but isn&#039;t the same with life?

if you had a very intensely negative first impression and couldn&#039;t bear to stick around in the beginning.... well, i&#039;d encourage you to stick around. the manga does demand commitment from the reader. and if you don&#039;t care and you aren&#039;t curious... i encourage you to go find another manga. i can&#039;t say anything about the series, because i never watched it, lol. though it sounds like it&#039;s quite similar to the manga.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi everyone&#8230; found this post randomly online also and was pretty shocked by this review (though everyone is entitled to their own opinion). A lot of people have already commented, and i don&#8217;t doubt that i&#8217;m probably going to repeat some stuff that others have already said.</p>
<p>i read the manga, and personally, i loved it. it&#8217;s very quirky with its own style and kind of humor, and i can see how the beginning seems sporadic, pointless, and random (though i actually liked it, heh). i was rereading earlier chapters, and hagumi is INCREDIBLY immature. if anything, it was very weird to read those chapters while having knowledge of the ending.</p>
<p>what i want to address, primarily, is the reception of Hagumi, particularly her appearance. she looks 8. when she was first introduced, i thought she was at least 8. people are then disgusted by her extreme loli looks, and how guys who look much older than her are completely enchanted by her.<br />
but this is a deliberate choice by the author, and if anything, her looks actually change throughout the series. in fact, it&#8217;s prety interesting to compare the way she looks at the end with her appearance at the beginning- admittedly, she still looks very young, but there is a maturity and seriousness to her that is absent when she is first introduced. Hagu develops and matures from the weird fairy of the beginning to a very real girl with a clear purpose at the end. it&#8217;s that very real gradual change and development that makes this series one of my favorites.<br />
beyond hagu, plenty of the other characters mature as well, and there is plenty of painful self-evaluation and reality checks that take a while to kick in&#8230; but isn&#8217;t the same with life?</p>
<p>if you had a very intensely negative first impression and couldn&#8217;t bear to stick around in the beginning&#8230;. well, i&#8217;d encourage you to stick around. the manga does demand commitment from the reader. and if you don&#8217;t care and you aren&#8217;t curious&#8230; i encourage you to go find another manga. i can&#8217;t say anything about the series, because i never watched it, lol. though it sounds like it&#8217;s quite similar to the manga.</p>
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		<title>By: Lianne</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-28167</link>
		<dc:creator>Lianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;...impatient, snobbish and dismissive.&lt;/i&gt;

Lala, you&#039;ve just summed up official Sleep is for the Weak policy for series with shitty beginnings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;impatient, snobbish and dismissive.</i></p>
<p>Lala, you&#8217;ve just summed up official Sleep is for the Weak policy for series with shitty beginnings.</p>
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		<title>By: Lala</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-28165</link>
		<dc:creator>Lala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I first watched the initial 4 episodes of the anime, I had a similar impression as you, albeit not as impatient, snobbish and dismissive.

Now that I&#039;ve completed both seasons, I have to say that I absolutely love it, and that anyone who doesn&#039;t complete the series is into nothing longer than instant gratification. 

1. You&#039;ll only understand the introduction animations and songs if you watch the whole series. You&#039;ll understand the relevance of, for example, the poodle, the Ferris Wheel, and the four-leafed clover. These are seemingly random but they all fit very squarely into the entire story. 

2. You&#039;ll only get to know the characters well at the end of the first season. Morita-san will be forever mysterious until the second half of the second season. So will their professor, and the whole story of Rika. It&#039;s very reflective of real life, actually. You don&#039;t know people well until you&#039;ve spent a few years at least getting to know them. Sometimes you don&#039;t even understand them until they&#039;re gone.

3. I totally relate to the main guy&#039;s job-searching, and realisation for what job fits me best. Yes, jobs are THAT difficult to come by in a bad economy in Japan. Especially for an art student.

4. This is the classic way of how slice-of-life manga works, I think. You get thrown into a scene where you feel like a total stranger, but as the years pass in the series, you get to know the characters&#039; lives and personalities. And after watching the main guy complete his university journey (among other journeys), my stomach feels the same fullness as when I finished reading Jane Eyre. Seemingly mundane at the beginning, but when you finish it, it&#039;s a beautiful story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I first watched the initial 4 episodes of the anime, I had a similar impression as you, albeit not as impatient, snobbish and dismissive.</p>
<p>Now that I&#8217;ve completed both seasons, I have to say that I absolutely love it, and that anyone who doesn&#8217;t complete the series is into nothing longer than instant gratification. </p>
<p>1. You&#8217;ll only understand the introduction animations and songs if you watch the whole series. You&#8217;ll understand the relevance of, for example, the poodle, the Ferris Wheel, and the four-leafed clover. These are seemingly random but they all fit very squarely into the entire story. </p>
<p>2. You&#8217;ll only get to know the characters well at the end of the first season. Morita-san will be forever mysterious until the second half of the second season. So will their professor, and the whole story of Rika. It&#8217;s very reflective of real life, actually. You don&#8217;t know people well until you&#8217;ve spent a few years at least getting to know them. Sometimes you don&#8217;t even understand them until they&#8217;re gone.</p>
<p>3. I totally relate to the main guy&#8217;s job-searching, and realisation for what job fits me best. Yes, jobs are THAT difficult to come by in a bad economy in Japan. Especially for an art student.</p>
<p>4. This is the classic way of how slice-of-life manga works, I think. You get thrown into a scene where you feel like a total stranger, but as the years pass in the series, you get to know the characters&#8217; lives and personalities. And after watching the main guy complete his university journey (among other journeys), my stomach feels the same fullness as when I finished reading Jane Eyre. Seemingly mundane at the beginning, but when you finish it, it&#8217;s a beautiful story.</p>
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		<title>By: ace_the_dreamer</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-27195</link>
		<dc:creator>ace_the_dreamer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah...this is my 2nd time trying to watch Honey and Clover and I wasn&#039;t getting it either. 

I kept saying to myself, &quot;Why is this anime so popular cause I don&#039;t get it?&quot; So I was like,&quot;Well it has 2 seasons so it must be doing something right. Let me check some reviews.&quot; 

And I found yours. I feel the same way. I couldn&#039;t relate to the 8 year old trapped in the 18 year old body. On the 1st episode I felt like I walked in on the middle of the series and had no idea what was going on. 4 episodes later I still felt the same way. I just don&#039;t get it. 

I didn&#039;t even realize it was a josei. I just assumed it was a shojo. It really does not fit the josei genre. It reminds me of a shojo which I&#039;m so tired of. Like when the two college students were playing with dolls and planning on making a doll house I was just thrown off. 

And it is creepy how they are in love with her. In fact I find its quite perverse.

Anyway I agree with your review 100%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230;this is my 2nd time trying to watch Honey and Clover and I wasn&#8217;t getting it either. </p>
<p>I kept saying to myself, &#8220;Why is this anime so popular cause I don&#8217;t get it?&#8221; So I was like,&#8221;Well it has 2 seasons so it must be doing something right. Let me check some reviews.&#8221; </p>
<p>And I found yours. I feel the same way. I couldn&#8217;t relate to the 8 year old trapped in the 18 year old body. On the 1st episode I felt like I walked in on the middle of the series and had no idea what was going on. 4 episodes later I still felt the same way. I just don&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t even realize it was a josei. I just assumed it was a shojo. It really does not fit the josei genre. It reminds me of a shojo which I&#8217;m so tired of. Like when the two college students were playing with dolls and planning on making a doll house I was just thrown off. </p>
<p>And it is creepy how they are in love with her. In fact I find its quite perverse.</p>
<p>Anyway I agree with your review 100%.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizunokotoba</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-27029</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizunokotoba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 19:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It saddens me to read such a harsh (and slighly mean-spirited dare I say) review of one of my favorite anime series.
Oh well, your complaints are mostly valid I guess. The fact that those apparent &#039;flaws&#039; didn&#039;t deter my enjoyment doesn&#039;t have anything to do with your so-called &#039;initial&#039; impression.
I don&#039;t know if giving it another try might generate a huge pay-off. I personally loved the whole of it.
Jeez, I have to stop getting so worked up over negative reviews.
Stay classy, Lianne!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It saddens me to read such a harsh (and slighly mean-spirited dare I say) review of one of my favorite anime series.<br />
Oh well, your complaints are mostly valid I guess. The fact that those apparent &#8216;flaws&#8217; didn&#8217;t deter my enjoyment doesn&#8217;t have anything to do with your so-called &#8216;initial&#8217; impression.<br />
I don&#8217;t know if giving it another try might generate a huge pay-off. I personally loved the whole of it.<br />
Jeez, I have to stop getting so worked up over negative reviews.<br />
Stay classy, Lianne!</p>
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		<title>By: yamato</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-23997</link>
		<dc:creator>yamato</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2011 07:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i had watched only 5 episodes and still i found it boring so i dropped the series very early. can somebody give me a brief plot? what made you continue reading/watching it? What episode/chapter was it interesting. maybe, i can give it another chance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i had watched only 5 episodes and still i found it boring so i dropped the series very early. can somebody give me a brief plot? what made you continue reading/watching it? What episode/chapter was it interesting. maybe, i can give it another chance.</p>
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		<title>By: Lianne</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-20341</link>
		<dc:creator>Lianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Feb 2011 17:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pineapple,

is there a reason you format
your comments like poetry
by e.e. cummings? because you&#039;re 
officially allowed to do that 
forever.
but only you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pineapple,</p>
<p>is there a reason you format<br />
your comments like poetry<br />
by e.e. cummings? because you&#8217;re<br />
officially allowed to do that<br />
forever.<br />
but only you</p>
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		<title>By: pineapple</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-18255</link>
		<dc:creator>pineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 06:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ps.
Major Props must go to
YUKI&#039;s &#039;Dramatic&#039; intro 
and the touching outro
&#039;Canvas&#039; by Hirai Ken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ps.<br />
Major Props must go to<br />
YUKI&#8217;s &#8216;Dramatic&#8217; intro<br />
and the touching outro<br />
&#8216;Canvas&#8217; by Hirai Ken.</p>
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		<title>By: pineapple</title>
		<link>http://sleepisfortheweak.org/reviews/micros/honeyandclover#comment-18254</link>
		<dc:creator>pineapple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 06:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as a first time viewer intrigued by reviews,
I marathoned through H&amp;C seasons I and II
in two days straight.
Unfortunately, i must agree with Lianne.
To begin, this was a pitty party from the get go.
More &#039;slice of wrists&#039; anime.
Life is worth fighting for and these 
characters mostly ran from it.
Not really romantic comedy. 
Hilarious moments and sight gags sure. However,
they became a band aid for lack of exciting possibility.
These people were introverts and Sawaka from &#039;Kimi ni Todoke&#039;(a high schooler btw) had more guts to change
and mature than these so called college students.
And Hagu, lets just say it, she&#039;s lolicon service.
She was already drawn so they needed to sell the 18yo lie.
Season I - she was a spoiled little prodigy.
Season II - only after a life altering event does
she shows selflessness. 
In real life, she would have sued the college.
Takemoto did not grow much after his journey anyways
and should have stayed in Tokyo.
Not getting hired all those times was unrealistic.
The income would have eased the noise in his head
and helped him &#039;get the girl&#039;. Idiot.
Yadama appeared to be the closest to an art student.
What she needed was some self respect and
and moved away from sadistic Mayama.
Mayama was just a douche.
In real life he would have (hopefully) realised 
noone but Yadama would tolereate his ass and left Rika.
I empathised with Rika but one can only beat down a 
dead horse so many times.
Morita was... i guess the prequel to Takizawa 
from &#039;Eden of the East&#039;?
Finally in this age of communication and bullet trains
these depressed introverts do not exchange cellphones or emails and act as if living in the telegraph age.
Looking for clovers was the highlight
of their emotional college life. 
Pity party sold.
Only a stellar season 3 updating
their relationships to solidify the
open ended mess of season 2,
may be the morphine shot 
this story needs.
Maybe too late and wounded 
audiences may pass on to 
better clovered pastures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as a first time viewer intrigued by reviews,<br />
I marathoned through H&amp;C seasons I and II<br />
in two days straight.<br />
Unfortunately, i must agree with Lianne.<br />
To begin, this was a pitty party from the get go.<br />
More &#8216;slice of wrists&#8217; anime.<br />
Life is worth fighting for and these<br />
characters mostly ran from it.<br />
Not really romantic comedy.<br />
Hilarious moments and sight gags sure. However,<br />
they became a band aid for lack of exciting possibility.<br />
These people were introverts and Sawaka from &#8216;Kimi ni Todoke&#8217;(a high schooler btw) had more guts to change<br />
and mature than these so called college students.<br />
And Hagu, lets just say it, she&#8217;s lolicon service.<br />
She was already drawn so they needed to sell the 18yo lie.<br />
Season I &#8211; she was a spoiled little prodigy.<br />
Season II &#8211; only after a life altering event does<br />
she shows selflessness.<br />
In real life, she would have sued the college.<br />
Takemoto did not grow much after his journey anyways<br />
and should have stayed in Tokyo.<br />
Not getting hired all those times was unrealistic.<br />
The income would have eased the noise in his head<br />
and helped him &#8216;get the girl&#8217;. Idiot.<br />
Yadama appeared to be the closest to an art student.<br />
What she needed was some self respect and<br />
and moved away from sadistic Mayama.<br />
Mayama was just a douche.<br />
In real life he would have (hopefully) realised<br />
noone but Yadama would tolereate his ass and left Rika.<br />
I empathised with Rika but one can only beat down a<br />
dead horse so many times.<br />
Morita was&#8230; i guess the prequel to Takizawa<br />
from &#8216;Eden of the East&#8217;?<br />
Finally in this age of communication and bullet trains<br />
these depressed introverts do not exchange cellphones or emails and act as if living in the telegraph age.<br />
Looking for clovers was the highlight<br />
of their emotional college life.<br />
Pity party sold.<br />
Only a stellar season 3 updating<br />
their relationships to solidify the<br />
open ended mess of season 2,<br />
may be the morphine shot<br />
this story needs.<br />
Maybe too late and wounded<br />
audiences may pass on to<br />
better clovered pastures.</p>
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